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Topic: Nothing but trouble

You might be tempted to use Expressgate because of its speedy access.  But if you are to use it for long compositions, please avoid at all means.

I typed a 1000 word essay, the forum logged me out and crashed.  I presevered, restarted the 1000 word essay from memory and it crashes again, despite my attempt to save it to memory by using the bookmark slots.  All my hard work wiped out 2 times, never to be seen again.

This thing pisses me off hugely.
Windows is not so bad afterall, and seems to be a lot faster in overall reactions.

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  • From: Texas
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Re: Nothing but trouble

That really sucko's.  It only took me a couple times of "losing" everything, years ago to finally figure it out.  Auto-Save often within your WP product.

Not that it makes u feel better, but, everyone does it.

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  • Registered: 2009-07-26
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Re: Nothing but trouble

I always write my long compositions on notepad first, copying what I have written to the site after I'm finished - whether I'm writing a forum post, or writing an e-mail. But I'd like to say that that's not a problem exclusive to EG, I had my share of IE, Firefox, and Chrome in the past. Never ever try to write something on the net before saving it on your HDD is what I've learned (maybe that's why I'm punching Ctrl + S every fifteen seconds in MS Word? smile )

I don't use EG much too though, I prefer Win, solely for the ability to watch some videos smile

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  • Registered: 2009-12-03
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Re: Nothing but trouble

Thanks for the ideas, but too bad EG has no provision for word processor with hdd saving ability.

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Re: Nothing but trouble

Maybe, but you have to think about the purpose of EG. When Asus would add a whole layer to save stuff to disk and add some programs like a word processor, the entire OS becomes heavier to load. The sole purpose of EG is having your mail and some browsing available in seconds. When you start adding stuff to make it a more full OS experience, you start to add boot-time as well. And that, my friend, defeats the purpose of having something as EG all together  roll

I've never used EG actually. Windows 7 resumes from standby in 2-4s with Wifi immediately available. Even EG isn't that fast  tongue

Don't make me "touch" you :-D

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6 Reply by hokman (edited by hokman 2010-01-28 14:50:49)

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Re: Nothing but trouble

darkjeric wrote:

Maybe, but you have to think about the purpose of EG. When Asus would add a whole layer to save stuff to disk and add some programs like a word processor, the entire OS becomes heavier to load. The sole purpose of EG is having your mail and some browsing available in seconds. When you start adding stuff to make it a more full OS experience, you start to add boot-time as well. And that, my friend, defeats the purpose of having something as EG all together  roll

I've never used EG actually. Windows 7 resumes from standby in 2-4s with Wifi immediately available. Even EG isn't that fast  tongue

I dont think including a word processor, even as basic as notepad would slow it down.  It'll be like now having music player, if u don't use it, i don't think it drags anything down.  Also I don't get how saving to hdd will slow it down, EG already has provision to save to hdd as a bookmark.  And file saving is also possible to portable device such as sd card or usb.

Alast if you think word pro will slow it down, even adding the feature of page saving in the browser can act as a rudimentary word pro.
But I think the first thing they should improve is the stability, crashing is way too often in EG web browser.

But you have to supply a charge to be in standby mode.

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Re: Nothing but trouble

The problem is not saving to disk.  That's never been the issue.  The real problem is that it was designed for a specific use and the our system ain't it.

EG was made for the purpose of loading into a flash area on a supported motherboard.  In that case, you have a super fast booting mini-OS when you have nothing else installed.  Heck, you don't even need a hard drive then.

Sadly, ASUS and EG decided to come up with an "expanded" version that could run off of a hidden partition.  This means that the they locked is down (no HDD at all) is gone, but they didn't bother to open it up to use the HDD space its installed on.

So, we end up with a "Firefox" derivative that can save bookmarks, but can't install extensions.  We have an install designed to fit in a tiny flash, but can actually use gigs of space.

Its a lazy solution and makes it pretty worthless.

I am thinking about messing around and trying to hack a small true linux install in there and see what happens.  The new alpha of Ubuntu has a boot time pretty close to EG anyway.

If you want to see the difference between a hack job, like EG and a real fast boot OS designed for a system with a HDD, check out HyperSpace.  Sadly, it won't work on an N10, but its sweet.

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  • From: Belgium
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Re: Nothing but trouble

@ Hokman: I think all of your arguments are in essence true, but I don't think Asus will execute upon them. ExpressGate is something they launched with great enthusiasm on their premium motherboards about 2 years ago, but in that time it has become a bit like the ugly step-child. Especially the version they now run off of the HDD instead of a separate flash memory (cuts costs down, you know) needs support per different laptop model it seems.

And yes, the standby uses up some charge, but only about 10% for 24hrs of standby time. For me, that's an acceptable loss of battery power considering how fast it boots back up. I plug it in every night anyway  smile

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Re: Nothing but trouble

I do wish EG would do more than it presently does, but it does exactly what it was designed to do.  Surfing the web, quickly no matter what the reason.  I also rarely use it, however, it is sweet when i need it. And it is a far cry better than it was when the N10 first came out.   tongue

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